". . . and so when you understand that there's nothing wrong with you when you struggle, you can't go through those experiences. People look at me and laugh because I got told after I saw somebody get decapitated in a training incident, 'You'll never get over this.' And three other Marines get killed. And we're trying to save people, you know, we're doing what nurses do. We're doing the 'dance of death.' We're trying as hard as we can, our hands down their throats, trying to keep them alive. And everybody dies. We lose the dance of death. And one of my Marines (one of my senior Marines) came up to me and asked me, 'Sir, how are you doing?' I said, 'I don't know - we've been busy.' And he said, 'You know, you're never going to get over this.' Right. And I can't. I'll tell you what I said. This is verbatim. He's a gunnery sergeant, right? Yeah. Well, Gunny, I'm not exactly effin' sure, but I'm pretty effin' sure that the effin' therapist doesn't say that to the effin' patient right about effin' now. So why don't you get the eff' away from me,' - right? And so it was a pretty blunt conversation. And he looks at me and goes, no. And I said, 'Who told you that?' He said, 'Vietnam guys told me that.' He said, 'I went through something that wasn't nearly as bad as this, and it's always helped me.' That was my introduction to the 'valley of the shadow of death,' right? And I was already in it because my parents divorced and never spoke again . . ."
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"You Never Get Over It: Coping with Trauma in the Marines"
Jul 07, 2025
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